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Windows 7

at 20:57 - 28th, October 2008

i thought you guys might enjoy this

Windows 7

lol they are changing the start bar into a dock

Alex Alex
News comment 1 | User comment 4968 | 23:36 - 28th, Oct 2008

lol, i was looking at that exact same article today at work.

Carl Carl
News comment 2 | User comment 1159 | 9:16 - 29th, Oct 2008

lol you two are hillarious. Your so hell bent on comparing to Apple that your begging to find similarities. If you look at the screenshot it's a transparent menu bar. How the fuck is it like a dock unless your using a vague generalization in which case probably applied for most windows OS.

I am hoping I can nab me Windows 7 when it's out for public testing or hell if I can nab even a beta version, would be sweet. Really want to try it out. Pretty much I hear it's what should have been released all along compared to the very annoying locked down Vista. I just hope that they can cut the ressource consumption down.

There should be no reason in XP a game needs 1 gb of RAM and with Vista needs 2-3 of RAM.

Carl Carl
News comment 3 | User comment 1159 | 9:20 - 29th, Oct 2008

If anything though from what I see (taking a second look) is that it is more similar to Linux where the bar is bulkier, has larger icons. In fact it's very very similar.

I think it's not as sexy as the Vista one. I like sleek looks to the taskbar.

John John
News comment 4 | User comment 376 | 9:32 - 29th, Oct 2008

It looks pretty spiffy, actually. But yeah, I agree with Carl; I hope it's going to be easier on system resources, though some part of me thinks we'll be disappointed.

Christophe Christophe
News comment 5 | User comment 766 | 9:33 - 29th, Oct 2008

look at what it does carl... you keep programs down there permanently, even when they are not open and when you click on em they light up and open... sounds kinda like a dock so far, but wait theres more.... if you right click on these programs now it will bring up the specific options for that particular program... that is to say, you can pause your media players or open up the particular options for each individual program... not to mention you can re organize your programs just by clicking and dragging them in the bar

Carl Carl
News comment 6 | User comment 1159 | 9:43 - 29th, Oct 2008

Well holy shit I am mistaken *sarcasm*

You can reorganize by dragging them in the bar? Thats your dock comparison?

Now if it was giant fucking icons in the middle on the bottom which expanded more as you highlighted it then maybe I could go for it. But from what they are showing and even the options you mentioned are not screaming dock to me. It's a taskbar with more options now.

I could care less if Apple has similar options. I am surprised Apple hasn't claimed they invented the theory of gravity yet (iGravity anyone?) Unless it's an explicit rip off then suck it up. These days with Trademarks, etc they can only be somewhat similar and nothing more.

And what's the gripe with people able to pause now? Yeah Apple so has the market on the pause feature.

Carl Carl
News comment 7 | User comment 1159 | 9:50 - 29th, Oct 2008

I think what annoys me most is the way your trying to scream rip off about Windows improving it's feature set. I could care less if it's similar to x,y,z company as long as they do it better.

Thats the whole point of Apple vs. Microsoft is who can provide a better experience for what people need to do. So if it means taking ideas and hopefully "improving" on them then I say go for it.

There was the same complaints about the transparent Aero interface. Like OMG nobody else can have transparency.

What would be cool if both camps could take their heads out of their asses and work together to make things cross compatible because right now none of them are really impressive right now.

Alex Alex
News comment 8 | User comment 4968 | 10:06 - 29th, Oct 2008

christophe i don't think you're right about the dock thing. it's just an advanced start menu. the apps staying in there even if they're not open is basically the quicklaunch bar. and sad to say, MS did that with 95.
changing things from a right click on an icon is about bloody time, but i hardly think apple did that first.
as for the look(glassy), apple popularized it, it's to be expected that other companies with copy it.
i think it looks a little nicer than apple's attempt at making the dock reflective, i hate that dock and turn it off right away. but that being said, i'd rather have the standard gray start menu if you ask me. just something about it. like the stupid blue/green start menu is just fugly.

Christophe Christophe
News comment 9 | User comment 766 | 12:44 - 30th, Oct 2008

carl argues like the guy from thank you for smoking... im not saying that its an exact ripoff of the dock, all im saying is that the changes they have made just make it more similar to the dock, to the point where one can argue that they are ripping it off... like microsoft seems to do with all of their operating system changes... remember widgets?... hmm spotlight? aero?

anything aesthetic or that just makes things faster and simpler for the user microsoft directly rips off from apple... which, dont get me wrong... IS a valid strategy if you dont know what to do yourself... its buisiness 101 fuck... but for christs sake cant they innovate a feature of their own for once?

Alex Alex
News comment 10 | User comment 4968 | 12:47 - 30th, Oct 2008

microsoft, as much as i hate to say it, win in the back-end (teehihi). their networking capabilities are far superior than apples. the os can do a lot more in other areas as well. or maybe i'm looking at this wrong, maybe it just seems that way because there are more devs for windows than for mac when it comes to this back end kind of stuff.
at any rate, apple seems to be catching up when it comes to the networking issue. and now with bootcamp it seems like there's more chance that the hard drive utilities are getting better too.

Christophe Christophe
News comment 11 | User comment 766 | 12:52 - 30th, Oct 2008

bah apples networking is balls... havent liked it since mac os 9

Alex Alex
News comment 12 | User comment 4968 | 13:00 - 30th, Oct 2008

os 9 was even worse. terrible terrible shit back before os x. but it's getting better. i mean think of it, in 10.4 if a network drive disappeared the finder would crash.
now it just times out but you can still use your mac...
os 9 you had to go to a special application for finding other macs, and forget about finding pcs...

Christophe Christophe
News comment 13 | User comment 766 | 13:23 - 30th, Oct 2008

all i remember about os x is using appletalk to connect two of our computers together so we could play bolo, it was super easy

Alex Alex
News comment 14 | User comment 4968 | 13:26 - 30th, Oct 2008

os 7...

Christophe Christophe
News comment 15 | User comment 766 | 13:36 - 30th, Oct 2008

o rly?

Alex Alex
News comment 16 | User comment 4968 | 13:37 - 30th, Oct 2008


Carl Carl
News comment 17 | User comment 1159 | 13:51 - 30th, Oct 2008

If Apple was so cutting edge with features I think computer statistics would be a lot different then they are. 13% use Apple these days? Sure it's higher but they are missing the market.

And I think office wise that Microsoft has pioneered how businesses do actual business.

Again you treat plastic transparency like it was Apples alone. Microsoft did it, got praise for it, who gives a fuck. They still get bragging rights for claiming to be the best overall for users out there.

Also they are pushing technological innocation. Home media PC's, yeah they started it and made it mainstream. Who followed, yeah thats right. All this pot meet kettle shit is pass?.

I just want to see good platforms, good support for everyone (not just a niche). You know, real competition

Carl Carl
News comment 18 | User comment 1159 | 14:04 - 30th, Oct 2008

Also I think Bootcamp is just a sign of defeat. Yeah like we can't make you happy so go use our competitor to do the job you actually want to do.

Alex Alex
News comment 19 | User comment 4968 | 14:24 - 30th, Oct 2008

i think the better way to look at bootcamp is, well they're doing it anyway, might as well make it a proper thing instead of someone killing their mac.

Alex Alex
News comment 20 | User comment 4968 | 14:25 - 30th, Oct 2008

i mean there were competitions to install windows on the mac before bootcamp came along. prize of 10 grand. i remember it well. couldn't get the fans to work, then the display wouldn't turn on properly. it was a mess.

Carl Carl
News comment 21 | User comment 1159 | 14:42 - 30th, Oct 2008

I don't think it an issue of killing the mac. If I was Apple and you tried to install Windows on it then your a turd and deserve your problem. But thats just a company thing they need to evolve. At some point they need to decided if they service the niche or go mainstream and really hit the market. I believe they can take on Windows. I know they can. They just have to want to. I mean they have the MP3 market, they are a very reputable hardware support and longevity. They need to take their heads out of their asses, be competitive price wise and do it.

There was talk of EA being more make friendly. Heard no news on that. Heard anything?

Alex Alex
News comment 22 | User comment 4968 | 14:50 - 30th, Oct 2008

EA being more make friendly? no idea what your talking about.

though big news on the iphone side of things
Square Enix is releasing its first iPhone game this winter. Called Crystal Defenders, the Final Fantasy related title is a map-based "defense simulation" game that (of course) uses the iPhone's touch interface.

check source for images. it's basically a tower defense type of game using staple final fantasy figures, black mage, fighter, thief...

this is what i'm talking about when they could make a great game without the FF face plate on it. what's wrong with using some other theme?
Source (Kotaku)

Carl Carl
News comment 23 | User comment 1159 | 15:04 - 30th, Oct 2008

It's ok as long as they do not use a number.

Alex Alex
News comment 24 | User comment 4968 | 15:06 - 30th, Oct 2008

i don't catch what your talking about

Carl Carl
News comment 25 | User comment 1159 | 15:07 - 30th, Oct 2008

For Final Fantasy. I think it's all good to use the name but have a moniker like FF: Clouds molestation of doom!! Not like FF33!

Alex Alex
News comment 26 | User comment 4968 | 15:16 - 30th, Oct 2008

so FF:crystal defenders is ok to you?
i'd rather they just go with an entirely different idea, no ff, no black mages/whitemages/redmages
create something new, let the company name sell the game more than 'hey, we stapled final fantasy characters on it so it's kewl, come and buy it now.'

Carl Carl
News comment 27 | User comment 1159 | 15:47 - 30th, Oct 2008

Yeah but thats what sells for them.

Alex Alex
News comment 28 | User comment 4968 | 16:16 - 30th, Oct 2008

but that's my gripe about it, start making new mascots, start making new mythos, start building a new brand for christ sake.

Carl Carl
News comment 29 | User comment 1159 | 16:22 - 30th, Oct 2008

*cough* Nintendo *cough*

Carl Carl
News comment 30 | User comment 1159 | 16:23 - 30th, Oct 2008

This goes for a lot of series actually and a lot of companies.

Alex Alex
News comment 31 | User comment 4968 | 16:26 - 30th, Oct 2008

yup yup
kinda sad when you think about it.
at least some companies are changing the way we play the franchise. castlevania comes to mind with their latest wii game.

Carl Carl
News comment 32 | User comment 1159 | 16:33 - 30th, Oct 2008

I like that they are trying something new but that Wii game is a bit out there. Castlevania is just not a fighting game. It's like making FF7 vs Cooking Mama: The Bake Off!!

I think they need to go 3d in a cell shaded fun way (if they do Wii). It can be really cool but they need to do something with that series. Like how many times can Dracula come back. Can he not go after other creatures of the night. Make it RPG-ish even. It seem's somewhat suited with weapons, armor, variable stats.

I will give them credit for trying something new. Just I don't think it was the right something.

And I don't think you can do anothing with Mario as they whored him out in Tennis, Golf, etc already.

Alex Alex
News comment 33 | User comment 4968 | 16:47 - 30th, Oct 2008

castlevania should never be a fighter. never. ever.

as for a turn based rpg, that'd be kewl, and it'd be new. and i'd dig it.
i think they tried bringing in new monsters/bad guys in the last ds version, some sisters and a vampire were trying to kill dracula so they could take his place or some such thing. was fun but the gameplay was all over the place. i 'beat' the game but the ending i got was a terrible one, basically i stopped them and then they begged me to not kill them. yet there was still a whole secion of the castle i couldn't get to.

Christophe Christophe
News comment 34 | User comment 766 | 18:22 - 30th, Oct 2008

i second alex opinion... cept not a turn based rpg... would make a good tactics game if not action/rpg or action/adventure

Carl Carl
News comment 35 | User comment 1159 | 9:58 - 31st, Oct 2008

Yeah I think a more action RPG would be the way to go. And no waggle. Well unless your used to whipping people

Alex Alex
News comment 36 | User comment 4968 | 10:11 - 31st, Oct 2008

not going to happen, unless your being sarcastic and physically whipping people around you.
Koji Igarashi already stated that he didn't want to do something typical on the wii like waving your arm around to whip people. so unless the higher ups say 'make a game like this for wii using this motion' it ain't gonna happen
i don't understand why he wouldn't just make a really basic side scrolling action game ala castlevania IV (best one in my opinion)
no motion whatsoever.
i've been playing dragon quest iv on the ds, 3 chapters (~4 hours) in and have noticed two things. they don't use touch for anything and the top screen is superfluous. they basically make the gameplay into tall screen (instead of wide screen) and 3/4 of the time i'm only watching the bottom screen.

Alex Alex
News comment 37 | User comment 4968 | 10:12 - 31st, Oct 2008

like they don't even put any text in the top screen, all that happens is you literally see things that would be above the current view of the bottom screen.
but the game is perfectly fine the way it is. hell they could of left the top screen black and you wouldn't even notice.

Carl Carl
News comment 38 | User comment 1159 | 11:05 - 31st, Oct 2008

Yup, Castlevania is what it is and we love it that way. However a proper 3D non waggle game would be welcome if not needed.

Alex Alex
News comment 39 | User comment 4968 | 11:07 - 31st, Oct 2008

have you played any of the non waggle 3d castlevanias? they end up being button mashers

Carl Carl
News comment 40 | User comment 1159 | 11:09 - 31st, Oct 2008

Yeah but aren't all FPS, RTS, MMO button mashers. Mega Man is a button masher. Who gives a shit as long as it's fun

Alex Alex
News comment 41 | User comment 4968 | 11:15 - 31st, Oct 2008

i guess you have a point. but at least some of the games make you think/solve puzzles

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