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Muslim Deographic

at 12:34 - 27th, April 2009
Islam will overwhelm Christendom unless Christians recognize the demographic realities, begin reproducing again, and share the gospel with Muslims.


i'll start by saying that i'm not a religious guy, i think all religions have their issues, and the more fundamental you go, the worse it gets. My issue with islam is that there isn't a middle ground. it's a fundamental religion because of the state that it's currently in, the missionary phase. before you decide that i'm insensitive and not very pc, watch the video. something needs to be done, either tighter immigration in a lot of places or maybe even a china like limitation to children. drastic, but like the video says, things are changing and the world we know will not be the same world 10-20 years from now. lucas and bry won't have the same world we have.


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Christophe Christophe
News comment 1 | User comment 766 | 16:16 - 27th, Apr 2009


lol, well thats that i guess

vikie vikie
News comment 2 | User comment 384 | 18:06 - 27th, Apr 2009


what do you mean?

Christophe Christophe
News comment 3 | User comment 766 | 15:35 - 28th, Apr 2009


i mean judging by this video either society as we know it will come to an end within the next 100 years via everywhere becoming muslim or there will be another giant holy war that will encompass the earth and peoples rights will be sustained at the cost of millions of lives

Alex Alex
News comment 4 | User comment 4957 | 15:37 - 28th, Apr 2009


i'm hoping for an all out holy war

Christophe Christophe
News comment 5 | User comment 766 | 15:49 - 28th, Apr 2009


yeah, but with one stipulation: we have to throw away the guns and pick up swords and axes

Alex Alex
News comment 6 | User comment 4957 | 16:00 - 28th, Apr 2009


lol, so we're talking medieval crusade then?

Curt Curt
News comment 7 | User comment 281 | 0:11 - 29th, Apr 2009


Useless, throwaway FUD.

It's a call to action on the part of Christians to... what? Stop Muslims from overtaking them? Is this a competition now? What sort of action are they calling for, here? Procreation? I don't think having more Christians running around will solve much of anything. Personally, and this betrays my bias, I'd love it if there were more secular people than religious people out there, altogether. That's a stat I'd like to see.

I think a lot of it is spin and distortion of fact. This seems to operate under the idea that Islam (the religion itself) is evil and must be stopped, which is false. It's fundamentalism that needs to be stopped, and that can be found in any and all religions.

And, unfortunately, a crusade won't fix anything. It sure killed a lot of people last time, but the damned religions survived! Problem not solved! ;)

Alex Alex
News comment 8 | User comment 4957 | 10:06 - 29th, Apr 2009


the problem i have is that it's not the 'new age' muslims that are taking over the world. and yes, like the chinese and the muslims are taking over the world through out-breeding everyone else. I'm still convinced that china is trying to take over the world through legal means of immigration. christophe says i sound paranoid but look around you, especially those in toronto and vancouver and that's just in canada.

the people who come to canada and are spreading islam are the fundamentalists. these are the hard core ones that will try to pass their doctrine into the laws of the country like their trying to do in france. their failing in france but it's just a matter of time. these expansions have never really been a problem because there was always an equal force trying to maintain their way of life to counter balance the expansion. nowadays, people just aren't religious enough to give a damn, or they have a friend who is muslim and that one muslim is ok so the rest must be ok. the same can be said for any religion, this is not me bashing islam.

which brings me to another point, all this PC bullshit. did you know in public school...

Alex Alex
News comment 9 | User comment 4957 | 10:10 - 29th, Apr 2009


if you make a joke about chinese people eating dogs you get suspended? what kind of bullshit is this? it's gone too far. the hippies have finally won...


anyway, i have friends and family who have had to deal with muslims back in the middle east, and it's a little daunting. it always starts out with giving them a inch and then they take the whole bloody football field. you know in montreal some Hasidic jews complained to a gym that they could see the women working out from outside the gym. made a big stink about it and they got the gym to cover the windows. insane. we're moving backwards...

Carl Carl
News comment 10 | User comment 1159 | 8:24 - 30th, Apr 2009


I agree with Curt. I think it's a bit of making others to be evil that don't share your beliefs. Lucas is in a daycare run by a muslim woman with a very ethnic group. In fact I think it's the best thing that could happen to him as he will learn to love all groups.

When it comes to religions I could really give a rats ass. I think people should have their own spot to practice what they believe. It's just normal that if a group of people go around the world they would like a little spot of home there. I think thats ok. If they can pay for it and the space is available then fine. What is to whine about?

Were heading towards a multi cultural future and thats the way it should be. Were one people not group a, b, c. The sooner we can all learn to live together and get along the better. Backwards thinking on conspiracy theories of x culture invading and whatnot is exactly the thinking thats holding us back.

As soon as people accept others have their beliefs, they are entitled to a practice part of it anywhere they want then fine. I'm not saying other countries law's should come here as we should enforce our laws but if they want their own church, etc then cool.

Carl Carl
News comment 11 | User comment 1159 | 8:31 - 30th, Apr 2009


In your instance of frosted windows I think that was a compromise that should have been voted for by gym members. And if I am right the media made such a stink that the frosted windows were removed shortly after.

I think it was just one group trying to push to much their beliefs or views. It happens on occasion. It's human nature. Mistakes will also happen but it's nothing to get all angsty and crawling in your skin over. Deal with the situation maturely at hand and just move on.

In all Lucas will grow up just fine. Honestly the world changes fast. Our parents used ice blocks for their fridges and had to cut chickens heads off to make thier chicken dinner. In 40 years our lives will be drastically changed and we'll be the older ones going what the fuck does this gadget do to our kids.

I just think overall we need to stop putting people in groups that we want to hate. Just deal with the problems at hand that come out.

Alex Alex
News comment 12 | User comment 4957 | 10:29 - 30th, Apr 2009


ideally, your views would be great, but it's not going to happen like that. not in our life time, maybe near the end of lucas and bry's but more than likely our grand children will see a different world where things might start coming back to 'normal'.

i'll talk about islam since this is the main topic here, though i'm not trying to pick on it.
islam has too many problems when it comes to being open about other religions. generally speaking the religion can be compared to born again christians.

from wiki, and i've read this in a couple books on the subject as well.
Non-Muslims under Islamic law would be held under the status of dhimmi (from Arabic ذميّ th as pronounced in this) were allowed to "practice their religion, subject to certain conditions, and to enjoy a measure of communal autonomy" and guaranteed their personal safety and security of property, in return for paying tribute and acknowledging Muslim rule.


the problem is like i said, give them an inch they'll take a foot. but when you ask them for an inch they'll take a foot.

Alex Alex
News comment 13 | User comment 4957 | 10:40 - 30th, Apr 2009


basically their the mob protecting you from the mob, for a price.

they can wear the hijab here, we're good people with open minds. they want to wear the full veil for pictures on IDs like driver's license and when they vote they don't want to take it off.

you know, they're are very few places in the middle east that treat western women the same way? my parents lived in saudi for a while when i was a baby. my mom could only go certain places without my dad and even fewer without a hijab on. She's a true believer to the fact that they should be subjugated to our laws just as we're subjugated to their laws in their countries.

like in australia, want to live here? go ahead, be muslim, but don't wear the hijab. i mean what the hell, they have an sihk who sued mounties so that he could wear his turban while on duty. wtf. the mounties have a uniform, it has a hat that is very distinctive. he knew he'd have to wear the hat before he went in. shit like this pisses me off.

Carl Carl
News comment 14 | User comment 1159 | 12:27 - 30th, Apr 2009


Yeah but all these are concessions for good or bad that were done by our government. I can't say I agree with them but errors do get made. Fact of life.Honestly we have to have idealism for our children. If all we do is whine and bitch they evolve from that atmosphere and just do the same. Then the next generation repeats itself if not becomes even more opposed to other cultures.

As far as religions go most can live in happiness with other religions. Each religion will have it's fantatics who are determined their religion is the one true view of how things are. Who are we to start going to each religion and tell them how wrong they are or that because of a percentage of them are fanatics lets lump the rest in with them.

Like come on. It's the grudges we keep that fuel the fires. I mean if you learn anything from just being in this province which is in turmoil because of people being divided is that you have to try and come together and promote that.

Alex Alex
News comment 15 | User comment 4957 | 12:36 - 30th, Apr 2009


but you need to protect yourself a bit. canada isn't doing anything to help protect itself from being having a chinese population outnumbering the canadian population. i'm not saying close the border, this is what makes the difference between us and the states. i like the adq's position on quebec and it's immigration policies. let only a certain number of them in per year.

the states wants to close the border to mexico completely, i don't agree with that at all.
there also needs to be tighter restrictions on things like medicare and unemployment. if people add to the community then they should get it, if they're actively looking for work then they should get unemployment cheques. that goes for quebecers as well. too many people in the ghetto living off the government.

and sure, the grudges we hold today keep the fires fueled for a long time, but for your idea to work both sides need to be thinking it, and they're not.

Carl Carl
News comment 16 | User comment 1159 | 8:05 - 1st, May 2009


Your talking about government issues now. I think our borders should be open as long as they contribute to our society as a whole. I don't care if a demographic outnumbers me as long as we all get along. It's not about who come out on top. And a lot of people who come to Canada really do take up our values and are hard core canadian.

In Quebec there are a lot who abuse the system but the only way to change that is fix the system. We all know it's broken and abused. But limiting who can potentially take advantage of it is not the solution. You need to make sure the system works which means being active within our legislature.

But then again for all the people who think the system is broken is a group who think the system works. Like for me I would love private healthcare. I may have to pay but at least I don't have to wait 8 hours in an emergency room with other sick people.

Curt Curt
News comment 17 | User comment 281 | 11:01 - 1st, May 2009


I think that there should be a distinction between Islam as a religion and Islamic-Arabic-nations. Saudi Arabia is oppressive, but it's not the most populous Muslim nation on earth. No, that honour goes to Indonesia, which is actually a very peaceful country. Furthermore, it's religions are all coexisting beside each other without any issues. Their leaders are democratically elected, as well.

I think the problem is mainly with fundamentalist Muslim governments in the middle east. Much like fundamentalist Christianity and how it almost ran the US into the ground (or, succeeded, if you ask the right people), these cultures are not what we should take to be the rule. They're the exception. A lot of the Muslims I've met who've immigrated into Canada are very much of the moderate variety. They flee these countries to escape the wackos running them.

I was actually talking about fundamentalism with a devoutly Christian colleague of mine (Chinese guy, to boot). I came to realize that while a lot of us in the western world see bible thumpers for what they are: kooks. Sometimes very dangerous kooks. But so many people seem to think that Muslims are baby-eating monsters or something.

Curt Curt
News comment 18 | User comment 281 | 11:06 - 1st, May 2009


So, if we flip that around. I'm sure there are lots of moderate Muslims that realize that people like Ahmadinejad (from Iran) are just crazies, who happen to have power (and are thus dangerous). But then from their media, and from their perspective, ALL Christians are like those wackos in the southern US.

I think if we're going to make headway, it's not going to be by limiting immigration (which, we need to survive), it's going to be by educating everyone on either side about how things really are, and maybe then we can change governments in the middle east to be more moderate (you know, as they were before the fucking CIA removed the democratically-elected moderate leader in Iran). Both sets of religions have lived together in relative peace for centuries (of course, the Crusades is a blotch against that). This rise to fundamentalism was only really in the past 70 years or so (watch the Power of Nightmares - excellent documentary). Hopefully it'll remain a short blip on the radar, if both cultures can have a return to sanity.

We're not going to get anywhere by being prejudiced. As Carl said, that hasn't worked out too well for the Quebec government.

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